Atlas vs. Rails? 8
Atlas is an attempt to inject AJAX coding into the ASP.NET framework. I haven’t tried it yet so I can’t say if it’s good or not.
I must say, though, the Atlas home page looks a little familiar, no?
- Those four big icons at the top?
- The bold, underlined "free framework" words right at the start?
- Links to videos of someone developing a web app instead of wading through documentation?And hey Microsoft, if you’re going to copy others so blatantly, then stop pretending you don’t know why web developers have been leaving ASP.NET.
If you’ve tried Atlas, tell me about your experience with it so far, good or bad.
Thats a bit desperate, isn't it? Yes it has 4 icons but I looked at the site and it didnt remind me of the RoR site.
Atlast is easy enough to use for ASP.NET, a decent enough way to add AJAX support. But don't forget you can use the Atlas libraries with other languages.
This is a decent example of it: http://www.shankun.com/AtlasPhp.aspx
Yeah, Jeff's been back working on .NET a lot lately, so you'll have to excuse him if he's unable to discern one design from another.
LOL
Yah, before RoR nobody thought of using large icons, image gradients and other Web 2.0 goodness. And anybody who dares uses those things are simply copycats of the RoR website/37Signals, etc.
And why does Microsoft think it can develop an AJAX technology on par with RoR? Please... just because Microsoft created AJAX in 1997 and have productized its use in Outlook Web Access beautifully for 10 years in such a way that it would shame GMail, doesn't mean they have any chance of turning back RoR tide which as everyone knows is the one true framework from now till eternity. Stupid Microsoft!!!!!
"[...]Web developers have been leaving ASP.NET"? Uh? So why are the usage curves so steadily climbing? It must be definition of "leaving" I'm not aware of.
You should try out Atlas before dismissing it. It is really very good.
We deployed our first application with it earlier this week and are super happy with it.
I have dabbled a little with RoR and was iniitally impressed with some of the Ajax capabilities. But I have found Atlas both much richer and much easier to integrate. One common scenario we do a lot: doing inline ediitng of data within a list or grid instead of having to jump to a separate page. Doing this with Altas is trivial, whereas I found Rails ended up being messier than I wanted (there wasn't an easy way to componentize up the UI behavior in a re-usable way).
Boudin: Yup, the rumors of ASP.NET's death are a little premature, at least according to book sales:
http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2006/03/aspneton_aroll.html
Works "great" in Camino. Admittedly I don't see the relationship between the designs, but I certainly hope the broken tabs I just ran into (clicking doesn't do a damned thing) isn't indicative of the typical experience.
It's funny, I came via a web search for a hopeful 'atlas on rails'.. why does it need to be a conflict??? (oh, that's right, apple gets big bux by making out that apple guys are cool, and ms guys are stupid [that cool apple guy still lives with his parents, btw]). Atlas has some good things, and it doesn't have to run on .net - presto, more cool things you can run on rails. MS mantra used to be embrace and extend (buy and corrupt) but the tables can be turned - even the atlas team is excited about some folks running atlas with php, imagine the bed wetting you can precipitate :) and anyhow, who doesn't want declarative javascript, no matter who is paying the massive marketing bill, as long as the license is benign? (which begs the question: when will ruby usurp js as the browser-embedded language of choice? give it a month at least :0 :)